di they pass the new bass regs!!?!?!?!?

[algreek33]

i'm shocked that I can not find this anywhere on this site!!!!!!!!!



RJ- or anyone did the new opening date for stripers get approved?????


please inform!!!!!

[RJ]

no it is still in the works

[algreek33]

why did you say to watch saturday for the answer?

[RJ]

we got the answer, it is in the works and listed in the legislative register where it has to sit for 45 days. It looks like it may be ready to go right around the 15th of April...where you listening?

[algreek33]

no, i missed the show, but the way you made it sound was like they already know the answer and on saturday it would be revealed. anyway, thanks for all your help.

[RJ]

Stay tuned I am writing up the inertview from Saturday to put here this afternoon.

[John Papciak]

New Bass regs would be for next year.

Out of all the major "polls" I've seen, it would seem as if the average joe wants to keep it at one fish, though with all the pressure out there, we might end up at two.

That being said. Fisheries regulation is not a democracy. No matter how many "votes" are tallied, council folks and commissioners have no legal obligation to heed public input.

In addition to a higher bag limit, there stands a real chance that the EEZ might be opened. How big of an impact this might have on the fishery is not yet known, but it would make some some larger winter over bass fair game off the carolinas.

Uncertain times. Every sector sees dollar signs and all can share in the blame.

I just read in the East Hampton Star one of the better-known Montauk Charter captains (who obviously sells fish too) was just fined for untagged bass.

[RJ]

John...who was the captain? :!:

As for the bass reg's...every polll I have seen including ours has it at about 50/50 as far as keeping two fish. I am in favor of keeping two fish and have said so on the record many times.

There are just too many smaller fish around that need to be culled out of the population to enhance the production of larger bass, and the smaller bass runing in droves and large schools like wolves have a major impact on the ecosystems of the back bays and beaches.

Too many smaller bass means to much young of the year spawns by other fish species being devoured in the back bays.

[John Papciak]

Rich,

1. In 1995 polls conducted by newsday, NYDEC, *****, *****, and **** showed that anglers wanted more conservtion. I got a copy of the results in early 1995 at a NYSF public meeting in Freeport. Anglers clearly wanted more conservative size limits. I can share the results here as I think I still have the papers given out that night.

2. CCA ran a poll among members in 1999, or thereabouts, and showed the same.

3. ****, a competing web site is running a poll right now, and has several thousand respondents, favoring 1 over 2 bag limit by about a 2:1 margin.

4. I got a copy of the result from all who attended hearings or wrote in comments for the Am 6 process. NYers were *heavily* in favor of reduced fishing mortaility in the name of more larger fish. Orgs who spoke in favor or this included LIBBA, MSA, NYFTTA, CCA, NYSF, PFLGA. NYers favored this by about 9:1, but our NY delegation actually made the motion at ASMFC to keep fishing pressure at current levels. Coastwide, the comments were all heavily in favor of more conservation in the name of more large fish. But not only did we not get what the majority wanted, we got an increase in commercial harvest!

I have yet to hear that one way to enhance the chances of more large fish was to kill more small fish. NJ actually tried to introduce a "slot" fish a couple of years ago with this supposedly in mind. As you may know, after the introduction of the slot fish, NJ harvests increased by something like 800% and leap frogged others thus making NJ the largest harvester or Striped Bass on the coast - and they dont even have a commercial fishery!

If you have a private mail function on this board, I can send you the name and/or the boat. The specific captain or boat is not so much the issue, we just need to understand that part of our "rec sector" also moonlights in commercial fishing, and this makes for a confused (or suspect) message - esp if we rely on their advertising dollars.

Aint nothing wrong with any of this (except for the untagged bass), but its better that we all know how the levers work.

[RJ]

Originally posted by John Papciak

1. In 1995 polls conducted by Newsday, NYDEC, *****, *****, and **** showed that anglers wanted more conservation. I got a copy of the results in early 1995 at a NYSF public meeting in Freeport. Anglers clearly wanted more conservative size limits. I can share the results here as I think I still have the papers given out that night.

1995 Is a long time ago, things have changed! People want what they are entitled to. If the numbers by the biologists say we can have two then take two. No one says we have to keep both every time we go fishing! Other states along the coast are harvesting 2 fish per angler and the states surrounding us are as well!

2. CCA ran a poll among members in 1999, or thereabouts, and showed the same.

I have not been a supporter of the CCA for a long time. I cannot take with any seriousness, an organization that charges $$ for a membership and then puts back only a fraction of that money into the state it came from. From all accounts and purposes, if it were up to the leadership of the CCA they would have us throwing back everything we caught.

4. I got a copy of the result from all who attended hearings or wrote in comments for the Am 6 process. NYers were *heavily* in favor of reduced fishing mortality in the name of more larger fish. Orgs who spoke in favor or this included LIBBA, MSA, NYFTTA, CCA, NYSF, PFLGA. NYers favored this by about 9:1, but our NY delegation actually made the motion at ASMFC to keep fishing pressure at current levels. Coastwide, the comments were all heavily in favor of more conservation in the name of more large fish. But not only did we not get what the majority wanted, we got an increase in commercial harvest!

The majority of those in attendance at these meetings and hearings are true sportsmen who throwback 90% of what they catch anyway. It is up to the individual fishing if they want to keep fish or throw them back. The majority of those that fish for sport but prioritize food as the reason for fishing do NOT attend these meetings.

I have yet to hear that one way to enhance the chances of more large fish was to kill more small fish. NJ actually tried to introduce a "slot" fish a couple of years ago with this supposedly in mind. As you may know, after the introduction of the slot fish, NJ harvests increased by something like 800% and leap frogged others thus making NJ the largest harvester or Striped Bass on the coast - and they don’t even have a commercial fishery!

If they had a commercial fishery they would never have been allowed to harvest that many fish. One of the most recognized fishery management tools in freshwater conservation is to weed out small or stunted fish to allow larger fish to grow large. There is too much competition for the same amount of food since the forage base of bass is shrinking at the same time the population of bass has exploded.

If you have a private mail function on this board, I can send you the name and/or the boat. The specific captain or boat is not so much the issue, we just need to understand that part of our "rec sector" also moonlights in commercial fishing, and this makes for a confused (or suspect) message - esp if we rely on their advertising dollars.

There is always a private e mail function to this board…that is one of the rules for being a member here. Send it along. As for relying on advertising dollars...I don't know if that is insulting or questioning me...I wil go on the assumption it is neither, but my fans know that even if someone spent tons of $$$ with me, if they broke the law this way I would list them here no matter what. Take this up with the guys at ******** who fish baby blackfish for stripers.

Ain't nothing wrong with any of this (except for the untagged bass), but its better that we all know how the levers work?

[John Papciak]

Rich,

My point was, I have not seen a poll where rec anglers wanted a second bass. I'm actually indifferent to the whole thing. I think there are great downside risks, but how can NY be the sole voice of conservation.

anyway-
If there are large polls like this that show this kind of data, that recs clearly want the second fish - I am very interested to see it.

I tried to reset my profile for private messages, but cannot figure it out. I dont have AOl instant message or any of that. I was hoping the freature was embedded in the board here.

As I detest it, I do not think it appropriate to list a specific business or captain name here. I'll send you an email, but please let me know what you intend to do with this information (otherwise pls leave me out of it and just pick up this week's East Hampton Star - look in the legal/court review section - just the facts - it lists the offender's name, offense, fine paid, and enforcement officer)

You have made it clear to me in the past that a lower bag limit can hurt the bottom line. I believe you and understand that. You have built a very good business, and god bless you, this is America, and you are entitled to it.

But, as we discuss bag limits - real important stuff that impacts EVERYONE - we must let the average joe reader know a couple of things.

1. Lower bag limits potentially hurt business.
2. Some advertisers (current or potential) are moonlighting in commecial fishing.

Again, god bless em all, as long as they are within their legal limits, no issues.

If Gordon or Byron, or anyone from the Striped Bass Technical Committee says you get more large fish by killing more small fish, I'm very interested. Does it apply to Striped bass? Is this what they are saying?

[RJ]

Byron did say on my show it was a very interesting concept that has worked and is worth looking at here as well. As for e mail, just click on my name and the e mail wil work. To e mail anyone just click on their screen name or send them a PM. What I really wish this system had was spell check :D At the bottom of each post are several buttons for e mail etc.

[algreek33]

this thread is supposed to be about the opening day of striped bass!!!!! not the bag limit!!!!

read, read, read. I don't care about the bag limit of stripers. what the heck are you guys going to do with 2 bass?!@?!?!?!?!? 10 people can't even eat 1 BASS!!!!

it's just going to sit in your freezers and rot for no reason!!!!!! unless, you are homeless and can't afford food and eat striped bass all day (which by the way have mercury deposits in them that cause CANCER), then YOU DON'T NEED 2 STRIPERS>


federal fishery managers suggest to eat onl ONE Striped bass per MONTH in waters before Nassau County. I dare you to eat 2 stripers every time you go fishing.


Anyway, any rumors about the oening day circulating????

Edited by RJ

[John Papciak]

You can fish for stripers right now.

If you do not care about the bag limit, which is fine, whats the difference?

Bag limits, size limits and seasons are the tools used to manage how many fish are taken each year - its all one in the same, though we each have our preferences about what bag/size/season we would like to see.

[algreek33]

you could fish for bass right now. I don't have a boat, so if they open te bass season early I could hop on a party boat and catch cows.

[John Papciak]

You dont need a boat - there is a wealth of information on this web site and others - take the Western Sound - guys are catching fish RIGHT NOW from places a party boat could never get to anyway - if its anything like the last 10 years, some very nice fish will be caught in the next week or two.

[RJ]

greekman, you are going to have to lighten up when posting on this board...no need or language like that. This thread eviolved into bag limits which is part of fish management. Relax

[algreek33]

RJ:

i don't appreciate the racial comment!!!!(what if I had said jewman, or blackman...would you like that!!!!!!) I could report you if I want but i'm sure you didn't mean to say that!!!!!!

and by the way, I STARTED THE POST!!!!!!! the topic is the date that stripd bass start!!!! not the bag limit!!!! IT'S MY POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

all I said is who cares about the bag limit. My topic was for the starting date!!!!!

[LkyLindy]

Algreek-

You are a little to sensitive my Greek friend(if you are really Greek)-By calling yourself Algreek you are announcing your heritage.This in turn makes it legitimate and by no means a slur to call you Greekman or Mr Greek or Greekster.This is more of a friendly way of playing off your name and in no way is a negative comment.If someones handle was alblack or aljew he in turn would be open to plays on his name-all in comraderie and no slurs meant.

Threads do have a way of being Shanghied But I think you are over reacting.Opening day info will be forthcoming when it has been announced officially.
Seems to me you have an AGENDA here algreek and it has nothing to do with opening day.If something is on your mind why don't you just come out and say it and stop ranting and raving!!!

[algreek33]

that's a good one. anyway, let's get back to fishing. i can't get back on that comment. You won.

let's here rumors of opening day bass.

[RJ]

Originally posted by algreek33
RJ:

i don't appreciate the racial comment!!!!(what if I had said jewman, or blackman...would you like that!!!!!!) I could report you if I want but i'm sure you didn't mean to say that!!!!!!

and by the way, I STARTED THE POST!!!!!!! the topic is the date that stripd bass start!!!! not the bag limit!!!! IT'S MY POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

all I said is who cares about the bag limit. My topic was for the starting date!!!!!

What is your problem? Your sreen name is algreek33 right? Wh6 are you so sensitive? You need to relax if you want to continue posting here. Take heed as I will not ask you again.

As for swho started the post...is irrelevant...it is how the post evolved naturally and so be it.

[John Papciak]

wow, Apr 15 it is - the opening season.

so you can hop on a boat, as you said, and catch that cow.

pls post pictures!

[RJ]

The season is NOT open April 15th. I spoke with DEC today and they said nothing is form and no comment at all on it.

[John Papciak]

I was just sent an email to a bunch of folks saying the following -

Notice

Effective Immediately

Striped Bass April 15-Dec 15 1 Fish 28"
Fluke Open All Year 7 Fish 17"
Porgy Open All Year 50 Fish 10"

Edited by RJ

[RJ]

I just spoke with Byron Young of the DEC and the individual who sent you that e mail jumped the gunnand had no business sending that to you. (Funny how they send it to you and not even to me). I am putting an announcement on the boards now be cause I just got the scoop from Byron on the real deal.

[algreek33]

thank you john papciak and RJ. you guys are very helpful. thanx for the rumors! this is what I like and others like it too.

[RJ]

You're welcome:D

[algreek33]

RJ: so i read on the web site that the season is now open. Did Byron Young get back to you yet for the official word?