Ask The Experts Thread

[cowkiller]

Who whould like a thread like this.You guys ask the questions and myself and rich will answer them.You can ask any type of fishing related question * regulations *Bait and Tackle and so on* If Rich agrees to this lets go for it.I think this could be a great thread! I will personally answer all your fishing questions* as long as rich says OK.:grin:

[samborges]

Rich is too busy with talking about the new Super bowl Champ* G men. Joe how do you rig up for blackfish* do you have 1 hook or 2 hooks* We had a thread about the different between north shore and south shore hookup.

[cowkiller]

Hey sam how are you* I mostly fish with a two hook rig for togs. The reason being is sometimes the second hook snags the fish under the chin when one hook wouldnt work as well.There are many options for tog fishing *you just have to adapt to the way the fish are biting.But the standard SNAFU rig with both hooks in one piece of crab will always do good. Calico crabs in the early fall followed by white crabs in the winter.(DEC-JAN).

[Surfmeister]

There is the "science" of fishing and then there is the "art" of fishing. "Adapting to how the fish are biting" would fall under the "art" of fishing* and this is not so easily taught. The art of fishing comes through experience* but it is never a guarantee that fish will behave consistently.

As an analogy* when I first began my teaching career* I would often ask my mentors ("the experts") about the "best" way to teach. More often than not* their answer was: "Do what works for you." I didn't find that answer very helpful because I lacked the experience to even recognize if something was working or not. And what worked yesterday wasn't working today.

I guess what I'm saying is that it takes experience to recognize when to adapt and how to adapt to fishy behavior. The "art" of fishing never comes easily. But take this for what its worth* coming from someone whose fishing mentors are Mickey and Goofy.

In any case* I look forward to trying the "two hooks in the same crab" method to see if I get any better results. The "science" of that method seems to make sense* especially for a species of fish that are more difficult to hook.

Now my question is: "When (and where) do blacks start going for clam instead of crabs? :confused:

Check out this "expert":

http://www.stupidvideos.com/video/sports/Bill_Dance_Bloopers/#4095

[Jaye43b]

Great thread. I tie a pinhookers rig but I will like to know the following:
1. how far apart do you string the two hooks?.
2. Do you use different leader lengths on the same rig?
3. I was once told by John Richey that black fish are not sight feeders* so I am wasting money using Fluoro. How do you feel about that?
4. Years ago I fished a lot with Charlie Kennedy. His favorite bait was conch. I do not see many people using conch anymore. Any thoughts on that???

[cowkiller]

jay* I tie my hooks about 8 inches apart with a dropper loop in the middle.
Fluro* I never use it
blachfish will turn onto clams in the winter when the water gets cold also in the springtime* conch is also a very good winter and spring bait.

[Jaye43b]

Thanks Joe....I am looking forward to using this set up with conch this Spring and green crabs next Fall.
what size hook you use?
How long is the leader on the bottom hook?
Do you use this type of setup for any other type of fishing.? I was wondering whether that would work with clams on cod and haddock.

[cowkiller]

Jay i use a 3/0 octopus hook* I keep the rig as close to the sinker as possible.I have caught other fish on this rig like seabass* porgies etc* but i only use this rig for tog.

[Jaye43b]

Joe can you describe your fluke rig? Do you use fluoro here? What is the length of the leaders etc. What size hooks? Do you ever use circle hooks?

[Surfmeister]

Originally posted by cowkiller
jay* I tie my hooks about 8 inches apart with a dropper loop in the middle.
Fluro* I never use it
blachfish will turn onto clams in the winter when the water gets cold also in the springtime* conch is also a very good winter and spring bait.

A dropper loop in the leader between the two hooks? Purpose?
:confused:

[cowkiller]

The fluke rig I made up 3 years ago is 2 dropper loops (hi-lo). A 30# swivel 2 dropper loops using FLURO with a bucktail rivit on the top hook* second hook (bottom) plain* then a round sinker for weight usally 1-30z on a coastlock snap. bait with spearing or searobin strips. Kicks ass:uzi:

[cowkiller]

Yes surf* I snell one hook on one end of the leader then snell a second hook to the other end * followed by a dropper loop in the middle.The whole rig is a piece of 50# leader material tied to a 75# barrell swivel* at the bottom of the leader I tie a perfection loop for the sinker*Then rite above the sinker loop I tie a dropper loop* Now i take the two hook rig and do a loop to loop from the leader to the rig. i will try to put up some photos.

[Jaye43b]

Rich...last year we discussed the possibility of a rig tying seminar. I think this discussion with Joe has just given me a reason to ask you to again consider this before the Spring season begins.

[cowkiller]

hey jay *Im down for that I think its a great idea* Lets get the ball rolling * Who* Where* When?. I would love to show you guys some rigging and snelling tricks.
This could be a great way to get away from the wives for a while and learn some stuff on rigging *and of course drink some cold ones.. haha.:beer:

[Jaye43b]

Great!! I will get the ball rolling.

[cowkiller]

Jay Just spoke to rich he is all for it . He is going to get one of the local tackle shops and we can do it there one evening.That way the guys can purchase hooks* leader or whatever* this is gonna be great!!!:rock:

[reeldeely]

Count me in!!!!!:beer:

[Jaye43b]

Great!!! I am willing to do whatever it takes to make this a success but it sounds like all I would have to do is show up..... thanks!!!

[cowkiller]

This will be another great way for all of us to meet in person and learn some rigging and hook tying stuff.Cant wait for this. Come on RJ* step up lets go.
cowkiller
jaye43b
reeldeely* lets go guys this is a great oppertunity

[Alberto]

im in too

[cowkiller]

add ALBERTO

[TheBigKahuna01]

when attaching leader to the main line what knot do you use??? ive been using an albright to do it* and how long should the leader be for casting and generally how many pound test do you use??


assasins vs. slugos which do you perfer for bass* blues and weaks???

[Jaye43b]

OK!! Surf....are you in? Add your name. We now have:

1. Cowkiller
2. Jaye43b
3. Alberto
4. Reeldeely

[cowkiller]

Big an albright knot is perfest with atleast a 5 foot top shot of mono* both soft plastics work well on those types of fish.Usally anywhere from 10 -20 lb test.

[Clam I am]

Count me in

[Jaye43b]

It could be helpful if each person copies the current list and add his name. As it now stands:

1. Cowkiller
2. Jaye43b
3. Alberto
4. Reeldeely
5. Clam I am

[angus63]

Originally posted by Jaye43b
It could be helpful if each person copies the current list and add his name. As it now stands:

1. Cowkiller
2. Jaye43b
3. Alberto
4. Reeldeely
5. Clam I am

1. Cowkiller
2. Jaye43b
3. Alberto
4. Reeldeely
5. Clam I am
6. ANGUS

[RJ]

Hold off on this till I get the date and place set up...

I am setting it up this afternoon and I will start a NEW thread on the subject when plans are finalized.:beer:

[blaggarder]

joe what is your fav plug for early season strippers around reynolds channel area?

[cowkiller]

Cant go wrong with bucktails* 1-1 1/2 oz* white with # 70s uncle josh porkrind. Also soft plastics * fin-s-fish or sluggos on lead heads work great as well.

Try casting under the dockline or at the bridges* and dont forget the dropoffs around the marshes. Outgoing tide is usally better for this. Also cant forget about the old 5 1/2 inch black and silver rebel.

If your looking for larger bass big DANNY type lures(surface) will cull some of the larger fish from the marshes. Hope this helps you out**joe:thumb:

[basssman]

Originally posted by blaggarder
joe what is your fav plug for early season strippers around reynolds channel area?

I like strippers early season* late season* really all season long. :D

[Jaye43b]

I can easily snell when both tag ends are free but I can't figure out how you snell with only one tag end available. Help!!

[cowkiller]

jay* you snell on one hook like normal* Then use the opposite end and snell the other hook.:thumb:

[Jaye43b]

Ah know that. i could tie a hook onto the opposite end* but I want to snell it the same way. I have seen the Asians do it. I just can't figure out how to do it.

[RJ]

This was covered in our Rig Tying Class!!:beer:

[Jaye43b]

That is exactly why I started pushing for these sessions months ago. Do you know when is the next one scheduled and is it going to be in a more convenient location for those of us who reside in Suffolk County?

[Surfmeister]

Originally posted by RJ
This was covered in our Rig Tying Class!!:beer:

Hey RJ* the condescension (sic) from your beer mug is leaving a ring on the coffee table. ;)

Yes* yet another missed opportunity--just like the one that got away.:fishhead:

[Clam I am]

Joe - Are you flounder fishing this year?